#123 - Ian Rogers - The Coming 25 Years Will Be Unrecognisable - AGI, Quantum & The End of Labour

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Oct 28, 2025

Ian Rogers, a former digital lead at LVMH and notable music-tech executive, dives into the intersection of culture and technology. He critiques today's education system, advocating for progressive teaching methods. The discussion shifts to the disruptive potential of AI and quantum tech, emphasizing how they will reshape work and society. Ian also explores the evolving concept of identity in a networked world and urges new governance models. Plus, he suggests meaningful ways to navigate today's chaotic political landscape.

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ANECDOTE

From Zines To The Early Internet

Ian and Peter made zines and recognized the internet instantly as a distributed version of that practice.
They used photocopiers and grassroots distribution before moving online and learning HTML to reach audiences.

INSIGHT

No Repeat Of Past Cultural Moments

Albums and cultural milestones belonged to a specific media/technology era and won't repeat in the same way.
Young creators now form networks via niche channels rather than centralized mass media.

ADVICE

Teach Thinking Over Memorization

Teach kids to think, solve problems, and use evolving tools rather than memorize facts.
Prefer educational models that focus on character, critical thinking, and adaptability.

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Ian Rogers ran digital at LVMH and worked with everyone from Apple to the Beastie Boys. In this conversation, we dive into culture, technology, politics, and the collapse of the old systems & what might replace them.

We explore: – Why education is broken & what should replace it – AI, quantum & disruptive technologies – From state to network: Balaji's thesis and the network future – Creativity, free speech & the failure of mainstream culture – How to raise kids who thrive in chaos – What punk rock teaches us about politics, identity & belonging

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TIMESTAMPS: 00:00:00 – Introduction 00:06:25 – The Algorithm Killed Music 00:16:40 – Why We Made Zines 00:21:03 – How Technology Shapes Culture 00:30:32 – Education Is Now Obsolete 00:35:17 – Teaching Kids to Think 00:41:00 – AI, Quantum & the Unknown 00:47:23 – From State to Network 00:51:55 – Navigating Post-Truth Politics 00:56:10 – Should We Still Go to Uni? 01:05:18 – Network Neighbours vs Real Ones 01:08:42 – Politics, Identity & Belonging 01:14:55 – Left, Right & Free Thinking 01:20:00 – From Curiosity to Courage 01:24:12 – Creativity in the Age of AI 01:29:37 – Fairness, Copyright & Compromise 01:34:50 – Creative UBI & the BBC 01:40:12 – Arbitrary Taxation Might Be OK 01:47:28 – Closing Thoughts: The Case for Hope

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