
Software Engineering Radio - the podcast for professional software developers SE Radio 646: Matthew Skelton on Team Topologies
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Dec 11, 2024 Matthew Skelton, a leader in modern organizational dynamics and co-author of Team Topologies, delves into optimizing team structures for faster value delivery. He discusses the principles of team topologies, emphasizing the need for strategic decoupling of value streams and managing cognitive load. The conversation highlights crucial aspects like desynchronizing teams for efficiency, fostering a supportive culture, and initiating changes through pilot projects. Skelton warns against siloed teams and advocates for adaptable systems to enhance collaboration and productivity.
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Plan for Obsolescence
- Plan for technologies to become obsolete quickly.
- Modern organizations should be able to deliver software changes multiple times daily.
Desynchronization
- Organizations often try to synchronize work, which hinders scaling.
- Desynchronizing work with techniques like feature flags delivers value sooner.
Real-world Examples
- Netflix and Amazon AWS use desynchronization for scaling.
- Amazon AWS forbids teams from mandating API changes within specific timeframes.






