
The Careless Talk Climbing Podcast E176: Round Table - Climbing news, first 9A+, internet drama and hot takes
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Nov 26, 2025 The hosts dive into recent climbing news, from groundbreaking climbs to internet drama. They discuss the impact of a proposed 9A+ boulder and the community’s mixed reactions. Topics like grading politics and the evolution of climbing ratings spark heated debates. Personal stories add flavor, including a hilarious encounter with fruit-throwing London youths. Finally, they tackle the nuances of social media personas and online backlash in the climbing community. Expect lively banter and bold opinions throughout!
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Survivor Bias In Grading
- Allowing only senders to set grades creates survivor bias in difficulty lists.
- Benn Wheeler: repeats and broader tester opinions are essential to fair grading.
Downgrade Dogpile Around Sierra's Ascent
- Sierra Blair allegedly climbed a boulder later contested when someone retroactively downgraded their earlier upgrade.
- The situation spiralled into an online dogpile before full context emerged, harming a lesser-known climber.
Don't Join Instagram Dogpiles
- Avoid joining online dogpiles before hearing full context; targeted attacks harm individuals.
- Katie Lamb: withhold judgment until you know the facts and let people explain themselves.



