Intelligence Squared Greece vs Rome, with Boris Johnson and Mary Beard
Mar 19, 2023
Boris Johnson, former Mayor of London and classicist, joins Mary Beard, a distinguished Lecturer in Classical Archaeology, for a lively debate on Greece and Rome. They discuss the profound influence of Greek democracy and literature, while contrasting it with Roman civic inclusivity and governance. Humorous insights, including a letter from a 3rd-century AD prostitute, add levity as they explore themes of love, philosophy, and identity. The discussion culminates in a surprising vote favoring Rome, showcasing enduring legacies that shape modern society.
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Greek Humor and Satire
- Johnson mentioned the Greek joke collection "Philogelos" and Aristophanes' plays as examples of the Greek spirit of satire and willingness to mock authority figures.
- He contrasted this with the absence of similar satire in Roman culture, attributing it to the difference in political systems.
The Real Roman Identity
- Mary Beard highlighted Rome's multiculturalism, high-rise living, and political debates as central to its identity.
- She argued that Rome's engagement with practical issues of urban living and incorporation of diverse populations makes it relevant to understanding modern society.
Roman Debates on Liberty
- Beard cited Cicero's execution of suspected terrorists without trial and his subsequent exile for abusing a "Prevention of Terrorism Act" as an example of Roman debate about liberty's limits.
- She connected this debate to modern discussions on issues like Guantanamo Bay and drone strikes.