Ruth Chou Simons, author of "Beholding and Becoming: The Art of Everyday Worship", the woman behind the beautiful GraceLaced Shoppe, wife and mother of six boys, joins Lisa today to talk about lots of things including the beholding and becoming process and why it is ok to be small when the world just seems to push us to want bigger.

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JOE S2E3: Interview with Ruth Chou Simons