
EconTalk How We Tamed Ourselves and Invented Good and Evil (with Hanno Sauer)
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Mar 9, 2026 Hanno Sauer, philosopher and author of The Invention of Good and Evil, studies moral evolution and cultural history. He explores how large-scale cooperation arose, the idea of self-domestication via selection against aggression, the role of religion and reputation in sustaining norms, and how agriculture and urban life reshaped morality and society.
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Humans Scale Cooperation With Flexible Institutions
- Humans uniquely scale cooperation from small bands to societies of billions using flexible institutions and norms.
- Sauer emphasizes plasticity: humans can live in tiny hunter-gatherer groups or globalized trade networks using different social toolkits.
Punishment Drove Human Self Domestication
- Social sanctions and punishment were crucial to stabilize cooperation as groups grew larger.
- Sauer argues this enforcement contributed to human self-domestication, reducing impulsive aggression across generations.
Raids Explain In-Group Pacifism and Out-Group Violence
- Sauer contrasts internal docility with external violence: in-group selection against aggressors vs. coordinated out-group raids.
- He uses raids and hunting analogies to explain how violent cooperation shaped genes and norms differently for in-group and out-group.








