The Bulwark Podcast Saagar Enjeti: “The Joke Is on Me”
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Mar 11, 2026 
Saagar Enjeti, right-wing populist commentator and co-host of Breaking Points, reflects on America First ideas and why they diverged from Trump 2.0. He discusses Iran policy as a strategic catastrophe, worries about munitions shortages, how military spectacle shaped decisions, Epstein as a financial operator, debates on immigration and social conservatism, and the shifting political coalitions shaping the future.
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Clear Objectives Distinguish Legitimate Wars
- Saagar contrasts the Gulf War's narrow objectives and legitimacy with the current Iran campaign’s lack of clear endgame.
- He emphasizes process matters: coalition building, public messaging, and plans for post-conflict outcomes.
The Joke Is On Me About America First Staffing
- Saagar recounts the America First elite project that aimed to staff restraint into policy but ultimately inverted into a loyalty-focused court.
- He admits he misjudged this outcome and says, The joke is on me for trusting those personnel.
Blame Elites Not Voters For Policy Failures
- Saagar separates elite culpability from voters, arguing the America First project's failure is an elite problem while many voters simply consume politics passively.
- He notes most listeners are in top 1% of news consumers, unlike average voters.
