Exponential: A Nexus Podcast

Episode 25: Invisible Infrastructure

Feb 25, 2026
Jin Kwon, co-founder of Saga.xyz and former Tendermint team member who builds Cosmos-focused dev tooling. He explains Saga’s ‘chain to launch chains’ model and how it automates chain launches with AWS-style predictable costs. They discuss replacing gas-driven economics with app-layer revenue, hiding infrastructure complexity, and using Saga for gaming, AI, commerce, and simpler payments.
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INSIGHT

Chain To Launch Chains Made Simple

  • Saga began as a "chain to launch chains" to make blockchains far easier to build and access.
  • Jin Kwon explains Saga can spin up a fully decentralized chain with bridges and validators in ~30 seconds using automation and orchestration.
INSIGHT

Operational Work Is The Real Barrier

  • The hard part of launching a chain is operational, not technical: validators, token design, distribution, and ongoing coordination.
  • Saga automates validator onboarding and economics so projects submit a config and the mainnet validators spawn a connected chain.
ADVICE

Automate Chain Launches Like Cloud Services

  • Don't make teams negotiate bespoke launches; automate the economics and orchestration like cloud services.
  • Saga uses a deposit model that spreads value to validators so chains launch without BD handholding.
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