The Indicator from Planet Money Is the economy red, orange, yellow or green?
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Apr 6, 2026 
Beth Hammack, President of the Cleveland Fed, brings regional Fed perspective. Austan Goolsbee, former academic and Chicago Fed president, tackles inflation, jobs and financial risks. They rate the economy with a color scorecard. Conversation jumps from persistent inflation and low labor churn to regional hiring gaps and frothy asset valuations.
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Fed Presidents Trade Friendly Jabs Before Getting Serious
- The episode opened with light banter revealing a friendly Chicago–Cleveland Fed rivalry and personalities behind the officials.
- They trade jabs (hair jokes, mercy threats) that humanize Austan Goolsbee and Beth Hammack before policy discussion.
Inflation Stuck Above Target With New Shock Risks
- Inflation remains above the Fed's 2% goal and has hovered nearer 3% for years, with recent shocks pushing it back toward red.
- Austan Goolsbee and Beth Hammack call prices "orange" and warn recent oil and tariff shocks risk renewed stagflationary pressure.
Low Hiring Low Firing Creates A Fragile Labor Balance
- The U.S. labor market shows unusually low churn: both hiring and firing rates are down, producing stability amid uncertainty.
- That low churn reflects firms pausing hires but keeping employees, which makes entry hard for new workers despite low unemployment.