Beyond the Verse Rudyard Kipling's 'If': Fatherhood, Masculinity and Legacy Through Time
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Aug 30, 2024 Dive into Rudyard Kipling's poem 'If—' and discover the intricate ties between fatherhood, masculinity, and Victorian ideals. Explore how Kipling's difficult childhood and strained relationship with his son, John, shaped his writing. The conversation uncovers the poem's contradictions and implications of masculinity, while also addressing Kipling's controversial imperialist beliefs. Reflect on the poem's cultural impact, its absence of women, and the relevance of its themes in contemporary discussions about art and morality.
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Manhood Presented As Perpetual Striving
- The poem's repeated 'if' creates a deferred promise: manhood is perpetually conditional and possibly unattainable.
- That endless deferral may be the poem's central point: you must keep striving without a final arrival.
Not A World For Women
- Women are noticeably absent and Kipling even uses 'kings' despite Queen Victoria's reign, excluding female agency.
- This exclusion narrows the poem's address and reflects a masculine, imperial worldview.
Contradictions At The Heart
- The poem contains moral contradictions: it praises meek inheritance yet demands boldness and control.
- These conflicting demands form a 'Goldilocks' standard that is impossible to satisfy fully.
