Change Agents with Andy Stumpf

Inside Russia’s Spy Factory in Brazil: Deep-Cover Operatives Targeting the U.S.

Aug 13, 2025
Michael Schwirtz, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and national security reporter for The New York Times, sheds light on a shocking Russian spy factory in Brazil. He reveals how operatives crafted deep-cover identities to infiltrate the U.S. and discusses the role of Brazilian authorities in exposing these spies. The conversation also dives into the complexities of international espionage, the challenges posed by modern technology, and the intricate world of intelligence agencies. A riveting exploration of contemporary espionage!
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INSIGHT

Historic, Exclusive Tradecraft

  • The illegals practice dates to the Soviet era and was revived under Putin as a prized tradecraft.
  • The program is exclusive and expensive, with only a few recruits trained yearly.
ADVICE

Disrupt Training, Not Just Agents

  • Expect significant losses when illegals are exposed because each agent represents years and millions invested.
  • Prioritize disrupting training pipelines and the academy producing these operatives.
ANECDOTE

Cover Parents Were Carefully Chosen

  • The Russians often chose dead or non-complaining parents as cover to avoid disputes about identity.
  • One arrested illegal reused a father name from an earlier illegal, a sloppy and playful tradecraft mistake.
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