Gold Apes vs Pudgy Grails + Steve’s First DeFi Dive

Audio issues forced the crew into a Spaces-only episode, but that didn’t stop the conversation. Cap and Steve debate why grail Apes continue to fetch premium prices while Pudgy grails lag behind, digging into culture, aesthetic appeal, and whether the upcoming Abstract airdrop is delaying high-end demand. Later, Steve walks through his first weekend exploring DeFi, from staking on Jito and lending on Hyperliquid to liquidity pooling on Meteora, sharing the challenges, tools, and community support that helped him get started.

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