Towards the end of 2024, we gave a talk called What's Our Lineage? and then in May of 2025, we presented a sequel called Our Tantrik Lineage. Both these talks are my attempt to reflect upon and understand the diverse influences that pour like so many streams into my lectures and spiritual life. These two talks are also a commentary on how complex and nuanced the lineage of Sri Ramakrishna is!
But even having presented these ideas over the course of the last three years, and even having given about 21 lectures on the the role of the guru in the Tāntrik tradition over the course of the last six years (they're all here in this playlist), there's still some confusion about who I am, whether or not I have the right to do what I do and whether or not my views are based.
And in the interest of having a broader discussion on responsibility, integrity and accountability in the spiritual world, especially on the internet, we present this talk "What is Our Lineage, Actually" to reflect upon the tension between sticking to tradition and innovating beyond it!
In this talk, our subtlest & most nuanced yet, we dicusss mīmāmsa, the reverential & yet critical reading of a sacred text with an appeal to Yāska's rules of grammar & etymology (Nirukta) before asking: are these still relevant and valuable today?
In other words, do the rules still apply when we read texts now in the modern era?
And more importantly, which texts should be read reverentially?
Is there a sense in which the texts that are considered authoritative and sacred back then no longer hold the same place in light of modernity?
And perhaps an even more cutting question is this: is there even a place for logic, grammar, etymology (i.e the analytical mind) in the study and practice of sacred texts like Vedas & Tantras?
And if we don't think there is, then, what tools are left for us when it comes to discernment in our study and practice?
More importantly, even if we accept Niruka (the rules of Sanskrit grammar and etymology), when we comment on a text is it ever exegetical (an unbiased attempt to explain what the text is saying) or is it necessarily, given the confirmation bias that we all carry, eisegesis (explaining a text to promote and support what we already believe).
Besides these questions above, we ask a series of 8 difficult questions about the tensions between sticking to tradition and innovating beyond it!
More importantly, I present a few different stories from our history to show some divergences between Gurus and their disciples:
1. Ramanuja & Yamunacarya
2. Chaitanya, Krishna Bharati & Ishvara Puri
and some more contemporary examples
3. Vivekananda & Ramakrishna
4. Chaitanyananda (Ayaji) & Amritananda Saraswati
5. Anakin Skywalker & Obi Wan Kenobi
to pose a few difficult questions about ekāvākyatā, sampradāyic consistency!
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