The Tech Policy Press Podcast Project Maven and the Age of AI Warfare
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Apr 9, 2026 
Katrina Manson, reporter and author of Project Maven, explores the rise of AI in military operations. She traces the program’s origins, key figures like Drew Cukor, and early field tests. Conversations cover vendor battles, drone autonomy, human roles in lethal decisions, and legal fights over red lines for AI use in warfare.
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Drew Cukor As Project Maven's Reluctant Central Figure
- Drew Cukor became the operational lead of Project Maven, speaking with Katrina Manson weekly for a year and agreeing to go on record after long consideration.
- Manson describes him as soft-spoken, searching, and able to answer hard questions with context, likening him to a medium-altitude drone.
Palantir Won The User Interface Role After Google's Exit
- Palantir became Maven's user interface after Google Cloud left following worker protests, with Cukor courting Palantir and spending long hours there.
- Palantir's early role mixed branding visibility, internal controversy, and a slow financial payoff but secured a foothold in the Department of Defense.
Somalia Proved AI Can Find Missed Live Targets
- Early deployment in Somalia showed Maven algorithms were glitchy but could still find critical targets humans missed.
- The team iterated on UI and human-AI tuning until an algorithm spotted a person in bushes nobody else had seen, proving operational value.
