
The Joe Walker Podcast Abul Rizvi — Inside Immigration Policy [Aus. Policy Series - LIVE]
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Jan 31, 2025 Abul Rizvi, a former Deputy Secretary of the Department of Immigration in Australia, shares his extensive knowledge on immigration and population policy. He dives into the transformative changes in Australia's immigration landscape since the early 2000s, particularly the rise in skilled migration and the role of international students. The conversation touches on the complex demographic challenges Australia faces, including declining fertility and the economic impact of high-skilled immigrants, underscoring the importance of a well-balanced immigration strategy in shaping the future.
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Diminishing Returns of Migration
- Net migration slows population aging but has diminishing returns; it cannot reverse it.
- Aim for an optimal net migration level (around 225,000-250,000) to balance aging and public confidence.
Bipartisan Support for Multiculturalism
- Australia's multiculturalism success stems from bipartisan political support since 1945.
- This consistent backing enabled broader source countries and strong settlement services.
Recommended Reading
- To understand immigration policy, read works by both Peter MacDonald and Bob Birrell.
- They offer contrasting perspectives on population, multiculturalism, and system integrity.


