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Does LOVE Make a Family? Dismantling the #1 Lie of Modern Parenting with Katy Faust

Feb 10, 2026

Katy Faust, founder of Them Before Us who fights for child-centered family policy, explains why marriage should prioritize children's rights. She covers Obergefell's effects on families, the risks posed by nonbiological caregivers, the Cinderella effect, why sex distinctions in parenting matter, and the goals and strategy of the Greater Than movement.

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Why Government Cares About Marriage

Government regulates marriage because it has an interest in children and future citizens.
Katy Faust argues Obergefell shifted marriage toward adult validation and away from child-centered purposes.

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Biology Predicts Parental Investment

Biological parents invest more time, money, and protection than unrelated caregivers.
Unrelated adults in the home statistically increase risks of neglect and abuse, a sociological constant Katy calls the "Cinderella effect."

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Distinct Roles Of Mothers And Fathers

Men and women provide distinct, complementary developmental goods to children.
Faust claims those sex distinctions matter most inside the family for children's cognitive, motor, and identity development.

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It's been over a decade since the 2015 Obergefell ruling that mandated same-sex marriage on every state and the stats are in. Has redefining marriage strengthened families, or has it quietly harmed the most vulnerable among us?

Frank sits down with Katy Faust, founder and president of Them Before Us, to confront the real-world consequences of so-called “gay marriage,” and introduce the brand-new 'Greater Than' movement—a bold effort to return to the natural law and biblical definition of marriage on behalf of children. During their conversation, Frank and Katy answer questions like:

What personal experiences growing up make Katy uniquely qualified to talk about this topic?
Why was marriage and family such an important issue to Charlie Kirk?
What are the 3 institutions that God created and how are they related?
Why does the government care about marriage?
Who is statistically the most dangerous person in a child’s life?
What is the “Cinderella Effect”?
Why does Frank believe the term “gay marriage” doesn’t address the real issue?
Are all family structures equally beneficial for children?
Why are the biological distinctions between mothers and fathers so important to children?
What does the data show about biological parents vs. non-biological caregivers?
What are the 3 main goals of the 'Greater Than' movement and how can you help?

In today’s society, children are often treated like trophies—spoken for, negotiated over, or reshaped to serve adult priorities. 'Greater Than' works from a different premise: children’s rights should not be overridden by adult feelings or desires. To learn more and get involved, be sure to visit GreaterThanCampaign.com!

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