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'The Interview': Chloé Zhao Is Yearning to Know How to Love

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Jan 24, 2026
Chloé Zhao, Academy Award–winning filmmaker behind Nomadland and Hamnet, reflects on her creative process and leadership style. She discusses improvisation on set, training as a death doula, confronting impermanence, and how grief, myth, and memory shape her work. Short, candid, and emotionally curious conversation.
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INSIGHT

Grief Is Innate; Rituals Shape It

  • Biological grief is unchanged across eras, but cultural stories and rituals shape suffering.
  • Medicalizing death and losing communal rites increase avoidable suffering today.
ANECDOTE

Training As A Death Doula

  • Chloé trained as a death doula to face her fear of death and open to love.
  • She links her fear of death to difficulty living fully and loving vulnerably.
INSIGHT

Use Mortality To Unlock Living

  • Confronting mortality can free you to live and love with an open heart.
  • Zhao sees embracing impermanence as essential to overcoming fear-driven isolation.
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