
John Anderson: Conversations Iran's Regime Change, Future & The End of the Rules-Based Order? | Rodger Shanahan
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Mar 3, 2026 Rodger Shanahan, a Lowy Institute fellow and former Australian Army officer with Middle East expertise. He discusses whether strikes aim at nuclear rollback, proxy networks, or regime change. He explores Iran’s ideology, proxy strategy, and how airpower struggles to reshape politics. The conversation weighs escalation risks, limits of precision warfare, and what this means for regional stability.
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Regime Change Is An Explicit Strategic Aim
- U.S. and Israeli strikes mix stated aims (nuclear prevention, degrading proxies) with rhetoric that increasingly signals regime change.
- Rodger Shanahan points to targeting patterns and leaders' calls for uprising as evidence the campaign seeks to impose regime change.
Air Campaigns Rarely Produce Popular Revolutions
- Popular uprisings rarely follow large-scale external air campaigns and are unlikely when perceived as externally driven.
- Shanahan notes lack of an identifiable internal leader and active regime measures to prevent alternate power centres, making foreign-imposed revolt implausible.
Iran's Strategy Is Shaped By Historical Trauma
- Iran's worldview blends historical trauma, ideology and pragmatism, making policy motives complex.
- Shanahan highlights WWII occupation, the 1953 coup and the Iran–Iraq War as formative memories driving vulnerability and forward-defence thinking.
