Julian Dorey Podcast #398 - “He KNEW!” - Epstein Survivor: Hollywood Trafficking, NYC Mansion & Les Wexner | Lisa Phillips
Mar 20, 2026
Lisa Phillips, former Ford model and survivor-turned-advocate, shares first-person accounts of trafficking, abuse, and her work amplifying other survivors. She recounts encounters at Epstein’s NYC mansion, grooming and control tactics, industry corruption and trafficking patterns, tensions around reporting, and her path to healing and advocacy.
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Mentor Meeting That Turned Into Assault
- Lisa Phillips describes an initial hour-long “mentor” meeting with Jeffrey Epstein that ended with him insisting on a private massage.
- The meeting built trust: he praised her Ford agency connection, put a billionaire on speaker, then escorted her to a massage room that became an assault context.
Massages As A Grooming Control Mechanism
- Phillips explains Epstein's massage routine functioned as grooming and control rather than purely sexual gratification.
- She links repeated massages to enforced silence and orbit maintenance: keep victims dependent and unable to leave or speak.
Career Advice Woven Into Grooming
- Epstein gave career advice to models while also testing how they handled men and auditions.
- Lisa recalls guidance like using Ford on resumes and flirting strategically to advance — practical tips mixed with manipulation.