The Bulwark Podcast Anne Applebaum and Jacob Frey: Using Lies to Justify Violence
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Jan 9, 2026 
Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey discusses ICE's intimidating presence in the city, highlighting their failed mission and subsequent community fears. He criticizes the federal government's rhetoric surrounding a recent shooting, urging for accountability. Anne Applebaum offers insights on the militarization of federal agencies and the broader implications of intimidation tactics on civic life. She also critiques Trump's intervention in Venezuela and its potential consequences, linking political rhetoric to global unrest.
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Qualified, Not Absolute, Immunity
- Jacob Frey rejects claims of absolute immunity for the ICE agent and says they have only qualified immunity.
- He says current actions contradict qualifications because killing and failing to deescalate aren't protected.
Pursue Legal Avenues, Avoid Escalation
- Jacob Frey says Minneapolis will use every legal strategy to protect residents and possibly sue federal actors.
- He urges measured law enforcement responses to avoid street warfare while holding illegality accountable.
Scone And Daycare Contrast
- Jacob Frey recounts mundane daily life in Minneapolis to counter apocalyptic portrayals, like buying a scone and dropping his daughters at daycare.
- He contrasts that with real fear among immigrant workers who come to him in tears and worry about family safety.
