
Zach Abramowitz is Legally Disrupted E41 - The Future of AI is People: Legal Quants Founders Jamie Tso & Raymond Sun
Mar 3, 2026
Raymond Sun, corporate lawyer and legal engineer who builds frontier AI for legal workflows. Jamie Tso, corporate lawyer who popularized vibe coding and crafts developer-focused AI workflows. They discuss how AI shifts value from products to people. They focus on lawyers building custom models, the rise of bespoke legal tools, and why community and skills will outlast packaged apps.
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Raw Models Require New Driver Skills
- Using raw models is a distinct skill akin to driving a fast, dangerous car; configurability yields power.
- Jamie compares safe, black-box vendor UIs to F1 driving where deep users can push models further and iterate rapidly.
Customware Enables One-Off Bespoke Tools
- A new software layer 'customware' emerges: one-off, hyper-personalized apps for single tasks.
- Raymond explains firms can spin up per-deal bespoke tools (e.g., tailored data rooms) that won't be reused but fit exact workflow needs.
Moat Moves To Infrastructure Capabilities
- The moat will move from app interfaces to infrastructure capabilities.
- Vendors should focus on underlying reasoning models and infra because customers will build superior bespoke interfaces.
