Wednesday Live: Gates Garcia, John Lovell, and Pawel Widawski | Ep. 13

Jeremy is joined by three men who've each built their work around a different answer to the same question: what does masculinity actually look like when it isn't being sold to you by manosphere grifters? John Lovell (Warrior Poets Society) brings a decade of teaching men to be fully warrior and fully poet. Gates Garcia (We The People) brings the view from college campuses and the millennial mirror. Pavel (Be a Man With Me) brings the voice of an immigrant who noticed something was missing from American masculinity— and occasionally carries a machete.

They get into the manosphere and why Pavel calls it “porn for masculinity.”; toxic masculinity, toxic femininity, and the generation of Gen Z men caught between them; why men need male friends (and why your wife can't be one of them); the 15-degree phenomenon; Pavel's machete at the gas station; the institutional collapse that makes Gen Z the hardest generation in American history to date in; and the practical advice none of these guys are monetizing: ask a woman on a date, show up early to work, get off social media, and find out what “Till We Have Faces” actually means.

00:00 Introducing Pavel, Gates, and John — Three Actual Men

04:43 Warrior AND Poet: 100% Both, Not 50/50

10:08 How We Got Here — 9/11, MeToo, the iPhone, and Covid

14:00 Lion of Judah vs. “Gay Jesus” — How the Church Went Soft

20:23 Toxic Masculinity, Male Suicide, and the Silent Heroes

24:00 Why a Man Needs Male Friends (The Waitress Problem)

34:15 Sports, Wrestling, and the Missing Rites of Passage

42:00 Toxic Femininity Is the Bigger Problem — And the Paradox That Fixes It

48:40 Pavel, the Machete, and the Gas Station Story

01:04:30 Why Gen Z Actually Has It Worse Than Any Generation Before

01:12:26 The 15-Degree Phenomenon: Why Women Need to Look Up

01:18:30 Practical Advice: Ask Her Out, Show Up Early, Get Off Social Media