Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence — Lewis Bollard

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Aug 7, 2025

Lewis Bollard, Farm Animal Welfare Program Director at Open Philanthropy, discusses the meat industry's surprising efficiency and its vast political influence. He highlights challenges in creating competitive cultivated meat and shares advancements like Inovo Sexing to reduce animal suffering. The conversation emphasizes the need for systemic reforms and innovative funding strategies to improve animal welfare in farming. Bollard advocates for informed consumer choices and better labeling in alternative farming to combat misperceptions.

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Boost Funding for Corporate Accountability

Increase funding to hold companies accountable for animal welfare commitments like phasing out battery cages.
Corporate campaigns can transform conditions rapidly by enforcing pledges and invoking consumer expectations.

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$1 Prevents 10 Years of Suffering

A single dollar donated to effective animal welfare causes can prevent ten years of animal suffering.
This outsized impact is due to the extreme neglect of farmed animal welfare philanthropy.

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Global Opportunities for Animal Welfare

Developing countries have opportunities to adopt alternative proteins and animal welfare reforms before factory farming entrenches.
China leads in cultivated meat research, indicating a global shift is possible with enough support.

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A deep dive with Lewis Bollard, who leads Open Philanthropy’s strategy for Farmed Animal Welfare, on the surprising economics of the meat industry.

Why is factory farming so efficient? How can we make the lives of the 23+ billion animals living on factory farms more bearable? How far off are the moonshots (e.g., brainless chickens, cultivated meats, etc.) to end this mass suffering? And why does the meat industry have such a surprising amount of political influence?

For decades, innovation in the meat industry has actually made the conditions for animals worse. Can the next few decades of tech reverse this pattern?

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Donation match fundraiser

The welfare of animals on factory farms is so systemically neglected that just $1 can help avert 10 years of animal suffering.

After learning more about the outsized opportunities to help, I decided to give $250,000 as a donation match to farmkind.giving/dwarkesh. FarmKind directs your contributions to the most effective charities in this area.

Please consider contributing, even if it’s a small amount. Together, we can double each other's impact and give a total of $500,000.

Bluntly, there are some listeners who are in a position to give much more. Given how neglected this topic is, one such person could singlehandedly change the game for 10s of billions of animals. If you’re considering donating $50k or more, please reach out directly to Lewis and his team by emailing andres@openphilanthropy.org.

Timestamps

(00:00:00) – The astonishing efficiency of factory farming

(00:07:18) – It was a mistake making this about diet

(00:09:54) – Tech that’s sparing 100s of millions of animals/year

(00:16:16) – Brainless chickens and higher welfare breeds

(00:28:21) – $1 can prevent 10 years of animal suffering

(00:37:26) – Situation in China and the developing world

(00:41:41) – How the meat lobby got a lock on Congress

(00:53:23) – Business structure of the meat industry

(00:57:42) – Corporate campaigns are underrated

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