
RIMScast Navigating Marine Risks in 2026 with Joshua Gold
Welcome to RIMScast. Your host is Justin Smulison, Business Content Manager at RIMS, the Risk and Insurance Management Society.
In this episode, Justin interviews Anderson Kill Shareholder Joshua Gold on the May 5th RISKWORLD session that Joshua is co-presenting with RIMS Past President Lance Ewing, "Do Not Let Your Cargo Claim Go Down with the Ship: Tips to Improve Marine Insurance Protection." Joshua shares knowledge on two of his areas of practice, cyber and maritime insurance. Joshua offers some insight into these newest and oldest of practice areas, and how they have begun to intersect. Maritime insurance carries special language and rules, and Joshua and Lance will cover those and answer attendee questions in their session. Justin and Joshua discuss current maritime threats in the Middle East that will likely be discussed in the session. Justin and Joshua comment on Law Day, an annual commemoration of law on May 1st.
Listen for a greater understanding of maritime shipping insurance and the importance of promptly filing claims.
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[:27] About this episode of RIMScast. We will be joined by RIMS Risk Management Magazine contributor Joshua Gold, Shareholder at Anderson Kill. He's making his RIMScast debut to discuss Marine and Cargo Risk. This is timely. But first…
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[2:15] On with the Show! Our guest today is a shareholder at the law firm Anderson Kill. You've seen his byline in RIMS Risk Management Magazine, and you've seen him on RIMS stages regionally, nationally, and globally.
[2:30] Joshua Gold is here to discuss marine and cargo risks generally, and how he will be co-presenting a session at RISKWORLD on May 5th, called "Do Not Let Your Cargo Claim Go Down with the Ship: Tips to Improve Marine Insurance Protection."
[2:50] He will present that alongside RIMS Past President Lance Ewing. We expect that session to be highly attended. Joshua is here to give you a preview of that session, talk about how cyber can intersect with marine and cargo risk, and offer some practical risk management takeaways.
[3:11] Law Day is coming up in the U.S. on May 1st. Joshua has been practicing law for three decades. We'll find out what Law Day means to him in 2026. Let's get to it!
[3:24] Interview! Anderson Kill Shareholder Joshua Gold, welcome to RIMScast!
[3:51] Joshua says RIMS is an amazing system for sharing information and education. Joshua couldn't be prouder to be speaking at RISKWORLD 2026.
[4:13] Joshua has written for RIMS on topics from cyber to marine insurance. Joshua thinks that cyber risk management is fascinating because cyber is new for many policyholders, in terms of implications, perils, how insurance will respond, and what the products are.
[5:15] It's fascinating to see the intersection of technology, insurance, and law. It all comes together in cyber. These perils may be getting more perilous over the next few years before we may start turning the corner.
[6:00] Joshua's session on May 5th at RISKWORLD is called "Do Not Let Your Cargo Claim Go Down with the Ship: Tips to Improve Marine Insurance Protection." Joshua will present with former RIMS President Lance Ewing.
[6:17] Joshua says he is in both the newest thing in insurance and law, cyber, and the oldest thing in insurance and law, marine. Most of his day-to-day focus is on either end of the spectrum.
[7:16] As much as Joahua loves cyber, he is intrigued with maritime insurance and maritime law. It's esoteric and old. It has special rules. If you don't deal with this type of insurance and law regularly, it can be challenging.
[7:46] The insurance companies are typically very well-versed in the insurance rules and doctrines. Most policyholders are much less so. There's an information imbalance.
[8:00] Joshua always looks forward to educating risk managers about this area. It's so detailed and different. Some might say it's antiquated. It's a challenging area, and we couldn't have a better example of that than with recent current events and hostilities in the Middle East.
[8:42] Joshua says, as dangerous and harrowing as the situation exists in certain shipping lines and energy channels, we've seen examples of disruptions in recent times with drought conditions affecting the Panama Canal and other shipping lanes.
[9:02] Joshua recalls the Suez Canal freighter mishap. The Suez Canal was shut down while an international engineering effort was launched to free the freighter and free up shipping lanes.
[9:29] The current shipping disruption caused by an escalating war will present real challenges for both shippers and energy markets. We're watching that in real time.
[9:54] Joshua and Lance don't want a current events discussion. They want to educate policyholders on principles that apply, whether they're dealing with a Suez Canal situation, an Iranian conflict, modern-day pirates in open water, or thieves breaking into your warehouse.
[10:37] Joshua and Lance will emphasize certain relevant points like detours, delays in shipping, downstream risk, risk to certain types of cargo, cancellations for war risk coverage, and other marine insurance products.
[11:06] There can be a real aftermath, and we're not sure where we are, as of this recording. We'll know more in May at RISKWORLD in Philadelphia. Now, we can only brace for the worst.
[11:32] Joshua and Lance are looking to educate policyholders on all of these issues, including ones that will be front-burner, given the hostilities now.
[11:52] Joshua says marine insurance policy language is cloaked in words of antiquity. Sometimes you'll see a marine policy that looks like a standard property all-risk policy, and sometimes you'll see one that contains 17th-century nautical and piracy terms.
[12:32] It's important to make sure that you understand the rights, protections, obligations, and contingencies under insurance.
[12:48] Most marine insurance policies will have a one-year provision the insurance company will argue says that if there's a fight over the claim payment, the amount, or the timing of the payment, that has to be brought in a lawsuit commenced within 12 months of the loss event.
[13:14] For people who have never had to go through a complicated claim, a year may sound like plenty of time. But these claims can take months or even years for resolution. Sometimes they don't get resolved without some coverage litigation or alternative dispute mechanism.
[13:43] Most policyholders are not accustomed to seeing a one-year contractual statute of limitations to bring a fight. You don't want to be in a position where the insurance company will argue you may have forfeited your coverage rights if you didn't act in time.
[14:11] Policyholders may not ever get into that realm, because they've never had that problem, but it's a point of being educated and knowing the lay of the land for policyholders in this arena, insuring goods over open water, in warehouses, on docks, or on a truck.
[14:58] A Quick Break! RISKWORLD 2026 will be held from May 3rd through the 6th in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. RISKWORLD attracts more than 10,000 risk professionals from across the globe. It's time to Connect, Cultivate, and Collaborate with them.
[15:18] Booth sales are open now. General registration and speaker registration are also open right now. Marketplace and hospitality badges are now available. Links are in this episode's show notes, and be sure to check out RIMS.org for more information.
[15:36] Our guest today, Joshua Gold, will be one of the session speakers at RISKWORLD. We are excited for him and also for our just-announced closing keynote, NFL Hall of Famer, Super Bowl Champion, Emmy-winning broadcaster, and entrepreneur, Michael Strahan.
[15:55] Michael Strahan will be on the main stage on May 6th. Justin is super stoked! If you're still on the fence, this is a fine time to smash that Register button and hear from one of the all-time greats.
[16:07] The RIMS Western Regional Conference will be held from October 4th through the 7th in Seattle, Washington. Registration is open, and you can also submit a session. Visit RIMSWesternRegional.com and the link in this episode's show notes for more information.
[16:28] Let's Return to Our Interview with Joshua Gold of Anderson Kill!
[16:44] Joshua says don't get fooled by the title of your insurance policy. The devil is in the details. You may have Ocean Marine Cargo Coverage, but you may get endorsements, like a warehouse-to-warehouse endorsement.
[17:15] You may be buying a product called Stock Throughput. You're looking for coverages that may apply not just for cargo on a ship, but also for cargo that may be at rest, stored in a warehouse where it's being loaded from the ship onto the dockside.
[17:48] There are many areas where you have to be aware of things developing in the marketplace and the fact that your insurance may now carry on well beyond the vessel's hull.
[18:05] There's another area of marine liability coverage which may be implicated, given the hostilities in the Straits of Hormuz and perhaps elsewhere, and the escalating nature of the conflict in the Middle East, so we will have to see how that plays out.
[18:31] Joshua always recommends that policyholders work with experienced insurance brokers.
[18:39] Joshua says it is a privilege to give this discussion in May with Lance Ewing, a seasoned risk manager who has worked on the brokerage side and the insurance company side, as well as the risk manager policyholder side, so he has every perspective.
[19:04] One of the things they will do at RISKWORLD is to make sure that not only do you hear from a coverage lawyer, but also from a risk manager, like most of the audience, who can speak to risk managers about what is important to their risk management approaches.
[19:34] They hope that that's going to be useful for audience members even if they're not in the same industry as Lance. Justin points out that one never knows where they might end up next. This is a great way to become more well-rounded.
[20:08] When evaluating marine cargo policies, you always want to look at the warehouse-to-warehouse endorsement. Find a broker that's well-steeped in marine cargo coverage. They can often customize endorsements that are important to your business.
[20:51] If you're transporting goods that are capable of being spoiled or have to be refrigerated, or have to be in the hull of the ship, protected from the elements, those issues can come up through endorsement, special policy provisions covering temperature-controlled goods.
[21:22] Joshua mentions that electronics may require being flown as air cargo. You want a system with customized coverage wherever you can get it. The broker knows that Lloyd's Marine Group has an example of an endorsement that covers a certain type of peril or cargo.
[22:06] You might have a provision in your policy as part of a base form, but you might want fraudulent bills of lading coverage. There is now a technology overlap with shipping, an intersection between cyber and marine.
[22:54] Some countries are GPS spoofing to confuse ships, which can be fatal if a ship goes into rocks or a bank in bad weather. This has implications, as we are seeing insurance companies slap onto marine products some type of cyber exclusion.
[23:37] You'll want to know that just because technology had a role in the loss, you're not forfeiting all of your coverage. Joshua says we're certainly seeing it with piracy claims and theft claims. We're seeing it on the roadways. Truckers are getting more and more targeted.
[23:58] A truck leaves a warehouse with goods that have been shipped on an overseas voyage, and there's an argument potentially that you've got federal maritime law applying in admiralty. What are the implications for coverage even though it's now inland on a train or truck?
[24:23] We're seeing more cargo theft in the realm of trucking, in addition to stuff missing at the dock and warehouses being broken into. It's a perilous situation for those dealing with cargo.
[24:43] Another Quick Break! The Spencer Educational Foundation's Risk Manager on Campus application period will open on April 1st, 2026, and it will close on June 30th. Grant awardees, colleges, and universities are typically notified in September.
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[25:19] General Grant applications will open on May 1st, 2026, and the application deadline is July 30th. Internship Grant applications open on August 15th and close on October 15th.
[25:31] Links to each of these grants are in this episode's show notes. Visit SpencerEd.org for more information.
[25:39] Let's Conclude Our Interview with Joshua Gold of Anderson Kill!
[25:48] Josh Gold will be presenting a special session on May 5th at RISKWORLD, called "Do Not Let Your Cargo Claim Go Down with the Ship: Tips to Improve Marine Insurance Protection." He'll be co-presenting with RIMS Past President Lance Ewing.
[26:13] Justin says if he were in the audience for that session, he would ask what the critical steps are that risk professionals should take immediately after a cargo loss to preserve their coverage rights.
[26:39] Joshua says the first step always is to give prompt notice. It complicates matters if the insurance company can argue that the notice was untimely. The first thing is, get the notice in. You won't have all the information. Notice is unlike wine; it doesn't get better with age.
[27:17] Give that prompt notice first. Then support your claim. As quickly as you can, gather photographs, video evidence, and documentary evidence, and give as much as you possibly can to the insurance company. Let that claims process unfold promptly.
[27:43] You don't want the insurance company delaying payment because they say they didn't get the information they needed to process the claim. Try to give them that information.
[27:59] Joshua says you can absolutely add more documentation. You can start by saying this is what we know now, and we reserve the right to supplement this information when we learn more about our loss.
[29:03] There are surely deadlines built into your policies. Go through your policy and calendar dates for proof of loss, statement of loss, and getting certain claim information in. Put those benchmarks in the calendar and hit them as often as you can.
[29:45] Joshua says with a cyber claim, there's no reason to hold back because you're incurring costs from the start with your forensic team and your breach coach. With cargo, Joshua says, I would give notice as quickly as you can, even if it's not as robust as anyone would like.
[30:13] Get notice off as soon as possible. Enlist your broker's help as quickly as you can. If you have the information, get your insurance policy out, look at the notice provisions, and call your broker. Brokers are a great way to submit insurance claim information.
[30:58] The broker should be helping guide you. You've already paid their commission. Enlist their help at the outset.
[31:07] Justin asks if risk professionals need to tell executive leadership immediately. Joshua says there should be a dialogue. He appreciates the systematic and scientific risk management approach RIMS brings and the recognition that risk management is getting from the C-Suite.
[31:48] Not every risk manager is at the C-Suite level, but they can communicate with the Treasurer, the CFO, or the Law Department, depending on the organization. Internal communications are important.
[32:11] Include the Law Department in communications, to ensure that privilege is protected and conversations are not being exploited if there's a conflict over the coverage. Depending on the importance of the potential loss, the COO and the CEO may need to be involved.
[32:53] Justin wants the RISKWORLD attendees to ask questions. Joshua and Lance have built time in during the session for questions. They love to take questions on the fly. They believe that if they spend half of the time in a dialogue with the audience, that is time very well spent.
[33:50] Joshua has been practicing law for 31 years and has been with Anderson Kill in the New York office for almost 31 years, specializing in insurance coverage trade.
[34:18] Justin notes that Law Day is an annual commemoration held on May 1st to celebrate the rule of law and cultivate a deeper understanding of the legal system. Joshua says we're always happy to get some kind of positive acknowledgment, accolades, recognition, and a special day.
[35:20] This year's theme is "The Rule of Law and the American Dream." The idea that no person is above the law is what ensures the rights of the people to live their lives as freely as possible and to pursue their dreams. Joshua is a full supporter of that doctrine.
[35:40] It has been such a pleasure to see you again. You are a regular contributor to RIMS Risk Management Magazine. We have links to some of your articles in this episode's show notes. We're going to see you on May 5th at RISKWORLD in Philadelphia. See links in the show notes.
[36:03] Joshua's last words: Please show up on Cinco de Mayo, we're speaking on the afternoon of May 5th. We'd love to see you then in Philadelphia at RISKWORLD. Lance and I are looking forward to hearing your questions and talking about marine cargo and what's going on then.
[36:26] Justin says, You've always been very supportive of me and of RIMS. I remember very clearly that somebody dropped out of a cyber panel, and you and Bill Passannante stepped right in for us, so I've always felt a strong connection to you and the professionals at Anderson Kill.
[36:57] Special thanks again to Anderson Kill Shareholder Joshua Gold for joining us here on RIMScast. I have links to his contributions to RIMS Risk Management Magazine in this episode's show notes.
[37:10] If you will be at RISKWORLD, remember to attend his session on May 5th at 3:30 p.m. on the Global Stage. It is called "Do Not Let Your Cargo Claim Go Down with the Ship: Tips to Improve Marine Insurance Protection."
[37:24] It will be co-presented with RIMS Past President Lance Ewing. Register at RIMS.org/RISKWORLD today!
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