The focus on programs for every area of life in the Evangelical church, while it seems well intended, often ends up distracting us for the simple things that God has already prescribed to mature us; namely, the sacraments, prayers, preaching, and fellowship. These ordinary means of grace are not flashy, hip, or particularly exciting, but over a long period of time, God uses them by His spirit to form us. Join Brad Kafer and Michael Lewis this week as we discuss the long process of discipleship with pastor Jared Jones.