Next Up with Mark Halperin Trump’s Five Keys to Success With Ukraine, Why Dems Aren’t Ready for 2028, the GOP’s Balancing Act
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Aug 19, 2025 
Marc Short, former Chief of Staff to Mike Pence, discusses Trump's unique strategies for dealing with Ukraine, emphasizing peace talks and shared European responsibilities. He addresses the tension between loyalty to Trump and upholding conservative values. Meanwhile, Patti Solis Doyle, Hillary Clinton's campaign manager, highlights the grueling nature of running for president and assesses the Democratic field for 2028, noting Gavin Newsom's frontrunner status among a diverse group of potential candidates.
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First Term Versus Second Term Shift
- Short warns the second Trump administration shows more populist, interventionist tendencies than the first.
- He contrasts Reagan-esque first-term policies with a Nixon-like pattern of rewarding allies and punishing opponents.
Mike Pence’s Respectful Conservatism
- Short praises Mike Pence as principled, cordial, and devoted to service despite political backlash.
- He frames Pence as someone who maintains friendships across the aisle while holding conservative convictions.
Appeasement Versus Deterrence Risk
- Short argues rewarding Putin with land risks appeasement and weakens deterrence.
- He recalls prior U.S. actions—sanctions, Nord Stream 2 cancellation—that once signaled stronger deterrence.