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28. China Is Run by Engineers. America Is Run by Lawyers.

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Sep 29, 2025
Dan Wang, a research fellow at the Hoover Institution and author of "Breakneck: China's Quest to Engineer the Future," discusses the fascinating contrast between China’s engineering-driven society and the U.S.'s lawyer-centric governance. He delves into China's ambitious infrastructure projects, the impacts of zero COVID, and how American proceduralism hinders innovation. Wang argues that understanding Chinese strategies can inspire U.S. reforms and emphasizes the importance of recognizing both nations' shared traits despite their differences.
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ANECDOTE

Censored Website And The Anaconda Metaphor

  • Wang describes being flagged by Chinese censors when his website was banned in 2022 and seeking guidance from the Canadian consul.
  • He recounts uncertainty about whether the ban was algorithmic and his choice to continue writing without self-censoring.
INSIGHT

Social Engineering As A State Habit

  • Wang argues China's engineer-dominated leadership treats societal problems as optimization problems and practices social engineering.
  • He warns this mindset produces large-scale benefits but also harms, such as coercive social policies and repression of minorities.
ADVICE

Rebuild Infrastructure With Bold Projects

  • Do adopt an engineering spirit to rebuild and expand public infrastructure like transit and bridges to boost optimism and connectivity.
  • Do recognize visible public projects can create economic gains and political resilience by improving everyday life.
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