Venezuela after Maduro with Senator Gallego and Frank Fukuyama

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Jan 10, 2026

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Ruben Gallego

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Frank Fukuyama

Ruben Gallego, a U.S. Senator and former Marine, shares insights on the political landscape following Nicolás Maduro's capture, expressing concerns about the lack of a clear strategy from the White House. He advocates for a sustainable approach to Venezuela's future, emphasizing the need for elections and economic reforms. Joining him, Frank Fukuyama, a renowned political scientist, warns that eliminating Maduro does not resolve deeper systemic issues. He underscores the risks of U.S. involvement and the need for careful planning to avoid mission creep in the region.

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INSIGHT

No Clear Post-Operation Plan

Senator Ruben Gallego warns the White House lacks a coherent post-operation plan.
He calls improvisation on Venezuela "very scary" and expects political risks to grow if actions escalate.

ADVICE

Push For Political And Economic Steps

Gallego advises pushing for elections, prisoner releases, and economic reforms to stabilize Venezuela.
He suggests an economic agreement with the U.S. to reduce conflict risk and build confidence.

INSIGHT

Hemisphere Focus Risks Global Neglect

Frank Fukuyama says asserting U.S. dominance in the hemisphere downgrades focus on Europe and Asia.
He warns this shift risks neglecting major global threats like Russia and China.

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Ian Bremmer unpacks the fallout from the Trump administration’s dramatic operation in Caracas that captured Venezuelan strongman Nicolás Maduro and brought him to the US to face federal charges. The raid was a stark demonstration of American power, and few are mourning the fall of a leader whose rule helped collapse Venezuela and drive millions to flee. But even with Maduro gone, the hard questions start immediately: who governs now, how long does the US stay involved, and how quickly could “stability” turn into something far messier?

First, Bremmer speaks with Democratic Senator Ruben Gallego, who says the operation may have been “limited” in scope, but the political and strategic risks are only beginning. Gallego argues that the White House is improvising and that Congress is watching closely for signs of escalation. “There really isn’t a plan,” he warns. “They’re kind of just playing this as it goes, which is very scary that they’re doing that.” He lays out what a more sustainable path could look like, including releasing political prisoners, setting a timeline for elections, and pursuing economic steps that reduce the chances of renewed conflict.

Then Bremmer is joined by Stanford political scientist Frank Fukuyama, who cautions against viewing Maduro’s capture as a clean “one and done” victory. The regime, he argues, is bigger than any single leader, and the US may be stepping into a long, unpredictable project whether it admits it or not. “Let’s not kid ourselves,” Fukuyama says. “This is a nation building exercise.” From the risk of economic collapse and refugee flows to the precedent set by a US foreign policy driven by raw leverage, Fukuyama and Bremmer explore what happens when Washington embraces the “law of the jungle,” and why the consequences could extend well beyond Venezuela.

Host: Ian Bremmer

Guests: Ruben Gallego and Francis Fukuyama

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