Michael McFaul is the Director of the Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies at Stanford, and author of the forthcoming book Autocrats vs. Democrats: China, Russia, America, and the New Global Disorder.

In this conversation, Francis Fukuyama and Michael McFaul discuss discuss Russia, whether there is a new Cold War between the United States and China, and why teaching should empower students to be actual policy implementers rather than simply technocrats.

Podcast production by Ringo Harrison and Leonora Barclay.

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Michael McFaul on The Emerging Geopolitical Order