On this episode we kōrero with Kiri Danielle, Ngati Kahungunu ki Wairarapa and Ngati Raukawa ki Te Tonga. We talk about her career as an early childhood educator and what a good quality pre-school looks like. We have one chance to get child development right and the consequences can be significant. We also talk about her experience of homelessness but by continuing to advocate for Papatuānuku, Mother Earth, through activism she was able to rise above to become a lawyer and now our very first Māori Environmental Commissioner. We touch on environmental issues and sustainability and how complex issues require a delicate hand.