A conversation with Amy Smilovic and Liz Taylor. Liz is Ogilvy’s Global Chief Creative Officer, setting the creative vision for 120+ offices in more than 90 countries, in addition to agency networks DAVID, INGO and Grey. Under her leadership, Ogilvy has become the only agency ever to top both WARC’s Creative 100 and Effective 100 lists, alongside repeat Network of the Year accolades. Her work has also received several Emmy nominations, been featured at the Museum of Modern Art, on Billboard charts, in multiple Super Bowls, and among culture-topping lists like Fast Company’s annual World’s Most Innovative Companies and TIME Magazine’s Best Inventions. Liz is also the first-ever CCO to be top-ranked by Cannes, and the first woman to top CCO lists by The Drum and D&AD, to be named CCO at FCB, and to be appointed Global CCO at both Leo (Burnett) and Ogilvy. Throughout the conversation, Amy and Liz discuss the winding, accidental nature of her rise to the top of one of the world's most competitive industries, what it truly means to lead creative culture at scale, and why the most lasting work always lives at the intersection of commerce, craft, and genuine conviction.