Behind the Bastards

CZM Rewind: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult & The Zizians: Birth of a Cult Leader

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Dec 30, 2025
David Gborie, a journalist focused on fringe movements, delves into the unsettling origins of the Zizians, a group tied to a tragic Border Patrol shooting. They unravel their roots in Bay Area rationalist subculture and discuss how Harry Potter fanfic influenced their ideology. Gborie shares insights on Ziz LaSota's alarming transformation from an aspiring idealist to a cult leader driven by dark thought experiments. The conversation explores the merging of rationalism, veganism, and radical beliefs, revealing chilling dynamics behind their rise.
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ADVICE

Watch For Early Cult Dynamics

  • Recognize that cult dynamics exist on a spectrum and some community bonding is harmless.
  • But monitor for love-bombing, language control, and isolation as red flags indicating dangerous cult drift.
INSIGHT

Timeless Decisions Can Rationalize Violence

  • Timeless decision theory teaches people to treat present actions as commitments across time to influence a predictive adversary.
  • Some rationalists interpreted that to mean never backing down and always escalating violence to signal resolve.
ANECDOTE

A Harry Potter Fanfic Became Canon

  • Eliezer's foundational text for the community is a long Harry Potter fanfic, 'Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality.'
  • Carolyn Ellison and other prominent rationalists credit that fanfic with shaping their thinking.
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