Economist Podcasts Heir Jordan: the rising star of France’s populist right
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Nov 7, 2025 
Sophie Petter, Paris bureau chief at The Economist, unpacks Jordan Bardella's ascent as leader of the National Rally, revealing his plans that could set France on a collision course with Europe. Bardella's policies focus on immigration limits, tech-friendly growth, and a tough stance on EU relations. John-Joe Devlin discusses innovative conservation finance efforts in the Democratic Republic of Congo, highlighting community-driven projects that show promise in protecting forests while addressing local needs.
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First-Round Lead Isn't A Done Deal
- High first-round poll shares give Bardella momentum but two-round runoffs complicate victory.
- Outcome depends on who reaches the second round and whether a credible centrist can consolidate anti-RN voters.
Rough Journey Into The Congo Basin
- John-Joe Devlin navigated treacherous dirt tracks and a 4x4 that fell into a watery ditch to reach DRC forests.
- He visited communities receiving small grants from the Community Fund for Forests to see on-the-ground effects.
Small Grants, Big Conservation Gains
- The Community Fund for Forests pays small grants to communities in exchange for pledges to protect land.
- These payments reduce local extraction pressures and can restore wildlife like returning chimpanzees.
