Cheating Our Way Into Heaven, with Jonathan Brink

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Today, Jeromy welcomes a guest who feels less like an interview and more like a reunion. Jonathan Brink and Jeromy have known each other for decades—they’ve asked the dangerous questions together, laughed hard, wept at communion tables, and wrestled with a God who never seems to fit inside our boxes.

Jonathan’s journey has taken him through deep wounds, psychedelic awakenings, theological deconstruction, and a relentless pursuit of what grace actually means when it collides with real life. He’s wrestled with belonging, with shame, with love, and with discovering along the way that maybe grace was never out of reach.

In this conversation, we talk about how unbalanced masculinity has shaped the church, how feminine energy is resurfacing, and even how AI might push us into a new way of imagining community and trust.

So whether you’re a skeptic, a seeker, or someone still healing from old narratives, this one invites you into the dangerous, boundary-breaking possibility that God’s grace is for all.

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Grace doesn’t hold back. She breaks the rules, softens hearts, and loves without apology. The open, universal, unapologetic love of God. Together we’re building a braver, more honest space. Thanks for your support and for listening. 

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Episode written, hosted, edited and produced by Jeromy Johnson.