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Overcoming evolution | Subrina Smith, Keith Frankish, Simon Baron-Cohen

Apr 28, 2026

Sabrina Smith, philosopher of biology skeptical of large-scale evolutionary psychology claims. Simon Baron-Cohen, developmental psychologist focused on autism and attachment. Keith Frankish, philosopher of mind exploring consciousness and cultural evolution. They debate the evidence for ancestral psychological modules, cross-species attachment and universals, limits of genetic explanations for cultural change, and whether culture can override evolved tendencies.

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Stone Age Modules In Modern Minds

The 1990s EP program claims the mind contains many specialized modules shaped in our Pleistocene past.
That view treats modern behaviour as Stone Age modules operating in novel environments, a core EP prediction.

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Cultural Evolution Reprograms Brains

Culture itself evolves and can reprogram brains via replicating ideas or memes.
Daniel Dennett's memetic framework shows cultural evolution can change behaviour independently of genes.

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Attachment Observed Across Species

Attachment is a cross‑species universal observed in humans, primates, dogs and cats.
Simon Baron‑Cohen cites Bowlby: secure vs insecure attachment predicts later personality and psychiatric outcomes.

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Framing the Debate on Evolutionary Psychology

01:34 • 3min

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Keith Frankish: Two Senses of Evolutionary Psychology

04:26 • 5min

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Simon Baron-Cohen: Evolutionary Psychology's Clinical Value

09:16 • 5min

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Sabrina Smith: Critique of Large‑E Evolutionary Psychology

14:22 • 5min

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How Do Evolutionary Psychologists Infer Past Minds?

19:20 • 3min

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Predictions, Examples, and Attachment Across Species

21:59 • 3min

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Limits of Evolutionary Explanations for Cultural Variation

24:31 • 3min

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Sex Differences, Parenting, and Empathy Data

27:16 • 5min

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Can Culture Override Evolutionary Constraints?

32:20 • 2min

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Practical Value: Biology, Policy, and Treatment

34:39 • 4min

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Dangers of Misapplying Evolutionary Ideas

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Is evolutionary psychology merely a way of excusing outdated behaviours? Is it instead culture which really defines how we behave?

As with the animal kingdom, we see human behaviour as the product of elemental drives to survive and reproduce. Evolutionary psychology has taken this a stage further - seeing violence, social hierarchy, and sexual promiscuity as a product of evolutionary drives. But might this be a misleading and dangerous approach? Murder rates have fallen seventy-fold since the Middle Ages, and across the globe birth rates are a fraction of what they were a hundred years ago. Fathers are actively involved in child care and we've radically changed our outlook on social issues like gender identity - suggesting ideas and culture drive behaviour rather than evolution.

Should we conclude that evolutionary psychology is a blind alley with no predictive power? Are we capable of overcoming behavioural traits and therefore wholly responsible for our actions? Or is evolution an inescapable force and behavioural change a result of altered circumstances while our core nature remains identical?

Critic of evolutionary psychology Subrena E. Smith, philosopher of mind Keith Frankish, and clinical psychologist Simon Baron-Cohen debate the significance of evolutionary psychology. Hosted by Güneş Taylor.

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