
In Our Time The Mytilenaean Debate
Jun 20, 2019
Angela Hobbs, a philosophy professor, Lisa Irene Hau, a classics lecturer, and Paul Cartledge, an expert in Greek culture, dive into the Mytilenaean Debate from 427 BC. They explore Athenian democracy's moral dilemmas as Athens reconsidered a brutal decision against Mytilene. The conversation includes Thucydides' insights on governance and power dynamics, and contrasting arguments of Cleon and Diodotus, highlighting the nuances of justice and self-interest in ancient political discourse. The fate of a second ship and its implications adds a gripping layer to this historical event.
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Second Thoughts and Cleon's Arguments
- After the initial decision, some Athenians had second thoughts, leading to a second debate.
- Cleon argued for maintaining the harsh punishment, emphasizing the need for strength and consistency in maintaining an empire.
Cleon's Philosophy
- Cleon's arguments centered on maintaining an empire through strength and fear, not compassion.
- He advocated for consistent, decisive action, even if based on flawed laws, and warned against intellectualism.
Diodotus's Counterargument
- Diodotus urged calm deliberation, arguing against decisions made in anger or fear.
- He emphasized pragmatism in punishment, suggesting that excessive cruelty would provoke further revolts.




