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Mar 24, 2026 
Brené Brown, a research professor and bestselling author on vulnerability and leadership, joins a lively conversation about the public clash that nearly derailed their relationship. They revisit authenticity, boundaries, trust, and repair. It also gets delightfully personal with debates on texting vs. email, remote work, faith, and why some disagreements actually build respect.
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Ask Why Armor Is Required At Work
- Brené says leaders should ask why armor is required or rewarded, because self-protection often destroys trust, innovation, and performance.
- She starts interventions with the least powerful people first, then tells executives many fail because they do not want that truth.
A COVID Help Request Reopened The Relationship
- During COVID, Adam reluctantly asked Brené to help with a women’s sports team after hearing her name everywhere he went.
- Brené said yes partly because she was already using his work and realized making him an avatar for broader misuse was unfair.
Asking For Help Builds More Trust Than Competence
- Brené says trust often rises when someone asks for help, because the request signals openness rather than polished competence.
- She cites asking 10,000 leaders what builds trust most in direct reports, and “they ask for help” came out number one.