Commonwealth Club of California Podcast

Jeffrey Rosen: The Pursuit of Liberty

Nov 29, 2025
Join Jeffrey Rosen, President and CEO of the National Constitution Center and law professor, as he explores the enduring clash between Hamilton's desire for a strong federal government and Jefferson's emphasis on individual liberties. Dive into how these foundational debates influenced pivotal moments in American history, from Lincoln's fight against slavery to modern presidential powers. Rosen also examines the relevance of these ideas today, the complexities of constitutional interpretations, and the importance of restoring civil discourse in political discussions.
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What 'Corruption' Meant Then

  • 'Corruption' meant political influence or patronage in 18th-century discourse, not moral rot.
  • Hamilton invoked 'corruption' as necessary executive influence to govern effectively, per David Hume's view.
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Jefferson's Slavery Contradictions

  • Jefferson's views on slavery were contradictory and shifted with political opportunity.
  • His early calls to ban slavery in territories flipped when expansion or politics made slavery politically useful.
ANECDOTE

Indian Removal And Slavery Expansion

  • Andrew Jackson enforced Indian removal to clear land for white farmers and slavery, calling it humane.
  • The policy produced the Trail of Tears and revealed Jeffersonian hypocrisies about federal power.
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