Catherine Liu, author of Virtue Hoarders, joins The Jacobin Show for a discussion about the multicultural neoliberalism of California. Daniel Bessner also joins the podcast to discuss NATO and recent bids by Finland and Sweden to join the military alliance.

0:00 Jen's segment on guns and gun reform

25:00 interview with Danny

40:45 interview with Catherine

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The Jacobin Show offers socialist perspectives on class and capitalism in the twenty-first century, the failures of liberalism, and the prospects of rebuilding a left labor movement in the US. This is the podcast version of the show from June 1, 2022.

Jacobin Show: What's the Matter with California? w/ Catherine Liu