The Rich Roll Podcast Stanford Professors Bill Burnett & Dave Evans On How To Design A Meaningful Life
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Mar 16, 2026 
Bill Burnett, educator and product designer who co-founded Stanford's Life Design Lab, and Dave Evans, life design co-founder and career strategist, join to explore design thinking for life. They discuss loneliness, curiosity as a portal to wonder, transactional versus flow ways of living, tiny prototypes to overcome fear, and designing small moments to create aliveness and meaning.
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Meaning Is Aliveness Not A Final Achievement
- Meaning is best framed as increasing your aliveness rather than chasing an unattainable 'self-actualized' ideal.
- Bill Burnett ties meaning to experiences of self-transcendence and community, not just career impact or achievement.
Design Your Life With Prototypes Not Fixed Plans
- Use design thinking for life: treat planning as brittle and favor prototyping many options to prepare for an unpredictable future.
- Embrace the designer's flexibility: build a compass and iterate rather than optimize a single plan.
Start With Radical Acceptance Then Prototype Small
- Practice radical acceptance and assess what's actually available now before designing your next move.
- Use small prototypes (conversations, short experiments) to test directions and gain a felt sense before big changes.
