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TIVP041: Fair Isaac Corporation (FICO): Scoring The World’s Biggest Credit Scorer w/ Shawn O’Malley & Daniel Mahncke

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Oct 12, 2025

Explore the fascinating world of credit scoring with insights into how Fair Isaac Corporation became the gold standard in the U.S. Shawn and Daniel discuss the democratization of credit access and dissect what makes FICO scores pivotal in lending. They delve into FICO's relationship with the three major credit bureaus and the implications of recent regulatory changes. The duo also tackles pricing strategies, profitability, and the potential challenges facing FICO as new competitors emerge. Tune in for a deep dive into one of the most crucial sectors of finance!

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ANECDOTE

Scoring Turned Lending More Scientific

Shawn and Daniel compare FICO's scoring impact to DNA making law enforcement more scientific.
They argue credit scoring turned lending from pseudoscience into a more objective process.

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Government Adoption Cemented The Moat

The Equal Credit Opportunity Act and bureau integration made FICO the 1995 mortgage standard.
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac institutionalizing FICO cemented its industry dominance.

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INSIGHT

Low Price To Scale Then Aggressive Repricing

FICO kept prices low for decades to gain scale, then began steep price increases from 2018.
Price hikes flowed almost entirely to profit due to minimal incremental cost.

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FICO's Ubiquity and Cultural Relevance

01:09 • 2min

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Why the Stock Dropped: FHFA and VantageScore

03:01 • 2min

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What Does FICO Actually Do?

04:52 • 3min

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FICO vs. Ratings in the Financial Crisis

08:20 • 4min

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Is FICO a Government-Given Monopoly?

12:07 • 3min

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Origins: How FICO Standardized Lending

15:08 • 9min

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Why Credit Scoring Democratized Credit

24:13 • 2min

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What Goes Into a FICO Score

26:04 • 3min

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How Regulation Cemented FICO's Role

29:10 • 2min

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Why FICO Kept Prices Low for Decades

31:20 • 49sec

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Why FICO Suddenly Raised Prices

32:09 • 6min

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Credit Bureaus, VantageScore, and Competitive Dynamics

38:36 • 54sec

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Regulatory Backlash from Price Increases

39:30 • 11min

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Is FICO Becoming Less Relevant?

50:36 • 3min

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FICO's Business Segments and Profitability

53:30 • 4min

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How Cyclical Is FICO's Business?

57:49 • 5min

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Valuation Risks from High Multiples

01:02:29 • 1min

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Modeling FICO: Price Power vs. Regulation

01:03:46 • 5min

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Fair Value and Margin-of-Safety Targets

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Investment Philosophy: Waiting for Asymmetric Opportunities

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The big short

Inside the Doomsday Machine

Michael Lewis

The Big Short tells the story of the 2007-08 financial crisis through the lens of several key players who predicted and profited from the collapse of the housing market. The book focuses on characters such as Steve Eisman, Mike Burry, Greg Lippmann, and the founders of Cornwall Capital, who saw the impending disaster and made significant gains by shorting the market. Lewis explains the complex financial instruments and the systemic failures that led to the crisis, making the narrative both accessible and engaging.

Shawn O’Malley and Daniel Mahncke break down Fair Isaac Corporation (ticker: FICO), a company whose algorithms are essential to computing credit scores, which are used in everything in the U.S., from applying for a mortgage, credit cards, apartments, to even job applications and more. FICO has incredible market penetration and earnings leverage, as almost all of its price increases trickle down to the bottom line, even though the cost of credit checks is typically a very small portion of the mortgage origination process, for example.

In this episode, you’ll learn about how FICO came to dominate credit scoring in the U.S., how credit scores have made it possible for millions of people to access financing, why FICO’s industry-leading position is so rock-solid, whether FICO can still be a “compunder” going forward, and whether FICO’s stock is attractively priced, plus so much more!

IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL LEARN:

00:00 - Intro

15:35 - How credit scores helped to democratize access to credit

25:47 - What actually goes into a FICO score

29:08 - Why FICO has become the industry standard for credit scores

29:49 - About FICO’s relationship with the three major credit bureaus — Experian, Equifax, and TransUnion

30:19 - How the government helped solidify FICO’s moat, and whether that’s changing

55:12 - What makes FICO one of the most profitable businesses we’ve ever looked at

01:03:04 - How to think about modeling FICO’s intrinsic value

01:11:26 - Whether Shawn and Daniel add FICO to their Intrinsic Value Portfolio

*Disclaimer: Slight timestamp discrepancies may occur due to podcast platform differences.

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