
The Michael Shermer Show Who Counts? Ethics in the Treatment of Animals and AI
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Mar 8, 2025 In this engaging discussion, Jeff Sebo, an Associate Professor of Environmental Studies at NYU, dives into the intricate realms of moral philosophy and animal rights. The conversation examines who belongs in our moral circle, questioning the ethics of insect farming and the future of animal agriculture. Sebo also explores the budding sentience of advanced AI and what it means for ethical treatment among different beings. From canine consciousness to the complexities of legal rights in abortion, this dialogue pushes the boundaries of our moral understanding.
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Moral Evolution
- Moral views are products of their time, subject to change with evolving societal values.
- Future generations may view our current beliefs with the same criticism we direct at past generations.
Moral Traditions
- Morality can be approached through consequentialism, rights theory, virtue ethics, or divine command theory.
- Jeff Sebo leans towards consequentialism but acknowledges the value of other traditions.
Trolley Problem and Moral Foundations
- The trolley problem highlights the tension between consequentialism and rights-based morality.
- Thought experiments offer insights into moral foundations but shouldn't be directly applied to real-life situations.











