Untrapping Product Teams Podcast

Why Frameworks Fail: Treating Product Management Like a Product

Jan 15, 2026
Tim Herbig, product coach, keynote speaker, and author of Real Progress, shares pragmatic product management wisdom. He argues frameworks need context, OKRs reveal capability gaps, and AI should speed getting to the hard questions. Expect lively takes on treating product teams like products, measuring behavior change, and favoring scrappy, purpose-driven tactics over checklist thinking.
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ADVICE

Choose Practices Based On Purpose

  • Define what you want to achieve and choose practices that serve that purpose, not the other way around.
  • Tim Herbig recommends pragmatic, value-based choices over academic correctness when picking techniques.
INSIGHT

OKRs Reveal Capability Gaps Not Solutions

  • OKRs expose problems but don't magically fix capability gaps.
  • Herbig explains teams often get outcome OKRs that don't match their measurement or influence capabilities, making them useless.
ADVICE

Treat Product Management Like A Product

  • Treat product management itself like a product with a clear one-year outcome.
  • Describe behavior changes you want from teams, then design interventions and measures to track progress toward that vision.
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