PBD Podcast “NATO Is DEAD” - The Insider Who Warned 4 Presidents About Iran | PBD #795
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May 9, 2026 
Robert Pape, University of Chicago political scientist and advisor to multiple administrations, discusses Iran and military strategy. He examines why bombing and blockades often strengthen regimes. He contrasts China’s rapid regional uplift with U.S. strategic choices. He argues NATO cohesion is eroding and warns about shifting global power and Gulf fragmentation.
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Why Punishment Often Strengthens, Not Breaks, States
- Punishment and economic pressure rarely compel states to surrender; they typically harden regimes instead.
- Pape explains with analogies (bully on playground, Godfather) and research showing punishment creates a spiral where concessions invite further demands.
How Trading Missile Defense Helped Win Russian Buy In
- Pape helped shape early U.S. strategy by advising Obama teams to trade missile defense in eastern Europe to gain Russian cooperation.
- He recounts proposing this 2008 idea to Sean Kay which fed into Obama policy shifts by 2010 and ultimately the JCPOA path.
Missing Enriched Uranium Drives The Hidden Risk
- Unknown dispersal of enriched uranium raises strategic risk because missing material increases proliferation concerns.
- Pape cites leaks suggesting about 20% of enriched uranium from damaged sites is unaccounted for and dispersed around Iran.
