Jim and Kathy discuss the podcast, "The Ugly Truth About The Girl Next Door" with Katie and Laurie. Here's several links their podcast and website for more info.
https://open.spotify.com/show/667GFwwcbQC7Pv6LzzK3cZ?si=471d3a7eb01d4136
https://www.theuglytruthaboutthegirlnextdoor.com/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ugly-truth-about-the-girl-next-door/id1609679959
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