The Shawn Ryan Show

#297 Nick Shirley - Inside California’s $222 Billion Medi-Cal Crisis

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Apr 20, 2026
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INSIGHT

Why A New Fraud Task Force Was Created

  • Nick Shirley says agencies missed fraud because Treasury, HHS, and other departments were not sharing suspicious-payment signals.
  • He credits a new federal fraud task force for forcing cross-agency communication and expects prosecutions to increase.
ANECDOTE

Minnesota Backlash After Fraud Reporting

  • After Shirley's Minnesota reporting, some left-wing critics tried to blame him for ICE-related violence he says he had nothing to do with.
  • He says politicians shifted attention from fraud by encouraging protests, including schools closing and Ilhan Omar rallying crowds.
INSIGHT

California Medi Cal Spending Exploded Faster Than Enrollment

  • Shirley highlights California's Medi-Cal jump from $108 billion in 2022 to a proposed $222 billion in 2026 despite limited population growth.
  • He argues giant, complex programs create deep webs of billing that make fraud harder to detect and stop.
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