
Goodmakers Podcast with Paul Anleitner Jordan Hall & Rafe Kelley | Neo-Gnostic Escape or Living in The Way?
Oct 21, 2025
Jordan Hall, a thinker addressing civilization's challenges, and Rafe Kelley, a coach focused on physical culture, engage in a thought-provoking discussion. They explore the 'source code' problem affecting societal dynamics and emphasize the distinction between scarcity and abundance. Rafe reflects on the impact of Christianity on his personal life and the importance of embodied practices. Together, they critique neo-Gnostic escapism, advocate for renewed engagement with the world, and stress the significance of living authentically in the 'Way' to foster true transformation.
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Design For Collective Intelligence
- Build new forms of collective intelligence using networks, AI, and cultural practices.
- Aim systems at shared sensing and execution rather than hoarding scarce artifacts.
From Counterculture To Christian Commitment
- Rafe Kelley describes moving from counterculture narcissism to Christian commitment after personal struggles.
- He credits figures like Jordan Peterson and John (ek?) for guiding his shift toward agape and fatherhood.
Chronos Versus Eternity Reorients Ethics
- Viewing reality through chronos (short-term) vs eternity (long-term) changes moral choices.
- Jordan argues eternal orientation makes the Christian sexual ethic align with long-term flourishing.








