Leading Saints Podcast

Should Your Ward Try to Innovate? | An Interview with Roy Zwahlen

Nov 18, 2025
Roy Zwahlen, Chief Strategy Officer at the Eshelman Institute and author of Race to Innovation, dives into how innovation can transform church leadership. He argues that creativity should thrive within local wards and offers five principles to unlock potential among members. Roy shares insights on balancing structural constraints with innovative ideas, empowering diverse perspectives, and the importance of recognizing individual contributions. He also discusses how innovation can deepen discipleship and urges leaders to foster an environment where creativity flourishes.
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ANECDOTE

JustServe And BYU Pathways Examples

  • JustServe and BYU Pathway are cited as institutional innovations that scaled community service and education globally.
  • BYU Pathway now delivers U.S.-quality education online to tens of thousands, illustrating mission-driven innovation.
INSIGHT

Disruption Happens At The Cultural Level

  • Institutional protection doesn't prevent disruption at the individual and cultural level.
  • The internet and grassroots actors can reshape narratives and require proactive innovation from members.
INSIGHT

Five Principles To Unlock Innovation

  • Five principles unlock innovation: recognize potential, build enclaves, enable ownership, empower unique lenses, accelerate change.
  • These principles translate entrepreneurial best-practices into church and community contexts.
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