Thinking in Public with Albert Mohler What About the Children? The Disaster of Obergefell and Its Consequences: A Conversation with Katy Faust
Mar 11, 2026
Katy Faust, founder of Them Before Us and children's rights advocate, speaks about how Obergefell reshaped family law with consequences for children. She discusses reframing marriage as child protection, adoption ethics versus acquisition, reproductive technologies commodifying kids, and campaigns to restore mother and father language.
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Obergefell Made Marriage About Adult Validation
- Obergefell shifted the focus from children's rights to adult validation, reframing marriage as adult dignity rather than a child-centered institution.
- Katy Faust argues that this legal redefinition made children invisible victims by prioritizing adults' equality over children's need for mother and father.
Reframe The Debate To Center Children
- Change the terms of the debate by centering policy and court questions on children's rights to their own mother and father instead of adult dignity.
- Greater Than will ask whether a child's mother and father should be legally prioritized over state-assigned adults.
Marriage Is The Solar System For Parenthood Law
- Marriage functions as the legal center connecting parenthood, and redefining it erases distinctions that protect children like biology and conjugal procreation.
- Faust says 38 countries legalizing gay marriage uniformly weakened children's rights to be known by mother and father.