The New Music Business with Ari Herstand

Doja Cat's Managers Have It Down

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Feb 18, 2026
Josh Kaplan, an entertainment lawyer-turned-manager who handles deals and business structure, and Gordan Dillard, a manager who oversees visual strategy and brand partnerships, reveal the playbook behind Doja Cat's rise. They discuss visual-first viral moments, short-form vs long-form video, modern label deals and funding, how features get made, and building diversified revenue beyond music.
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ANECDOTE

Visuals Fueled The Early Breakout

  • The Juicy and Say So visuals pivoted Doja Cat into breakout success by leaning into her visual ideas.
  • They shifted focus to Say So's video when TikTok trends emerged and the record exploded.
ADVICE

Budget Videos Strategically

  • Be smart with budgets: prioritize effective short-form content and cheaper videos if funds are limited.
  • Reserve expensive, high-concept videos for artists whose brand and fan expectations justify them.
INSIGHT

Deals Follow Leverage

  • Record deals depend heavily on leverage: successful artists can negotiate JV-style or ownership arrangements.
  • Newer artists often still face traditional royalty deals unless they bring measurable traction.
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